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 Calciopoli or Falsopoli: The Truth Behind The Trial That Crippled Juventus

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PostSubject: Calciopoli or Falsopoli: The Truth Behind The Trial That Crippled Juventus   Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:01 pm

READ IT ALL BEFORE COMMENTING, PLEASE!

- Guido Rossi wasn’t actually an official president. He was the Head Commissioner of the FIGC because Carraro (then President) was forced to step down due to his heavy role in the wire taps which I’ll touch on in a minute. After the scandal Guido was set to be named President but instead went to Telecom Italia and as a result Inter’s buddy Giancarlo Abete was named president.

- Milan were not exactly implicated in the same fashion Juve were. Milan were actually caught (Meani) ordering refs, requesting refs, and instructing refs/linesmen on how to officiate Milan games (i.e. “keep your flags down unless it’s on the opposite side of the field”). Meani was actually heard threatening a linesman (Coppelli) with violence. Milan were guilty of Article 6 violations and deserved Serie B but since it was the second time in the club’s history (Calcioscomesse in 1980) the team would have likely faced Serie C2 or been dissolved as a company entirely. Due to the severity Galliani used an argument with Chief Federcalcio Investigator Borrelli in a public meeting (held behind closed doors) that Meani acted alone and that his role (Milan Director of Referee Relations????) was separate from the club’s affairs despite Meani being on the Milan payroll for years. To solidify this point Borelli had the phone recordings connecting Meani to Galliani and Berlusconi pulled from the investigation. I still have them and Galliani is made well aware and even encourages Meani’s actions. Borelli effectively managed to reduce Milan’s article 6 violations to an article 1 violation only punishable only by a point deduction…enough to grant Inter its scudetto but keep Milan in the CL wrongfully (win win). Juve on the other hand never requested refs, never spoke with them, and certainly threatened no one and were still tried for Art 6 violations..

- The manipulation of the tapes was proven in court when a Telecom employee (Caterina Platea) confessed to destroying mounds of transcripts and altering names on others. The orders came from a Telecom paid detective (Adamo Bove) who committed suicide within two weeks of his assistant’s confession (July 21 2006 I believe). There are a few videos on the Facebook forum that show a technician manipulating calls with his computer that you should also watch under the SWIS SIM Card link. They actually also speak of a program used to make calls with the voice of another person called “Cambia Voce” (Voice Change). Moggi still insists that some calls (though hardly incriminating) were not his and this program would explain how they came about.

- The question of the “different fate” had Inter not been in charge of the trial is answered by the Torinese Magistrates that handled the exact same tapes months earlier. Juventus were found not guilty of anything at all. It wasn’t until Inter’s henchmen seized their opportunity that all the calls became “incriminating”.

- Fiorentina, Lazio, and Reggina were implicated for minor offenses according to the thread but that is only true for Reggina. The other two were initially tried and found guilty of actual match fixing and rightfully so. Lazio president Lotito begged referee designers for a hand and it got worse when FIGC President Carraro yelled at Referee Designer Bergamo for sending a referee that didn’t assist a struggling Lazio. He was heard saying “even if it isn’t a penalty you tell them to give us the penalty…understand? After they play Milan though…obviously…cause we need to give them a hand”. Why was Carraro (Milanista and former Milan president) so interested in protecting Lazio? Easy, he owns the majority of the team along with Roma, which by the way is already illegal based on the UEFA rule that prohibits dual ownership of clubs within Europe (the rule kept Abramovic of Chelsea from buying Cagliari in 2003). He ownes 40% of Capitalia Investment Bank which owns the majority shares of both AS Roma and SS Lazio. It is no wonder they were of interest. It shouldn’t shock anyone now to see that Roma were never investigated and after an appeal Lazio went from Serie B with a point deduction to Serie A with a 3 point deduction. Fiorentina were also found guilty of attempted match fixing because owner Della Valle proposed fixing Lazio-Fiorentina to Lotito in favour of Fiorentina (a phone call taken out of the investigation on appeal). The reason it was taken out was because if Fiorentina were convicted of attempting to fix that game (ART 6 Violation) then Lazio too would be found guilty of not reporting Della Valle’s actions to the FIGC (also an ART 6 Violation). Fiorentina were only saved by default to protect Carraro’s investment. By the way Berlusconi also has his hand in Capitalia Investment group (being Milan’s owner makes that 3 times illegal).

- Lecce-Parma was the only “fixed” game of the season according to judges but it was really just an excuse. No evidence supports it and when referee De Santis tried to defend his case with video evidence the judges refused to accept the videos claiming that they were irrelevant??????. Truth is someone wanted De Santis discredited, perhaps because of all the incriminating phone calls he received from Facchetti (late Inter President) that could have blown up in Inter’s face. It should be noted that no videos or actual phone calls were allowed to be used as defense in these proceedings because they were deemed irrelevant. An example is when Moggi’s phone call stating that referee Rosetti was “no good for Juve” was used as referee manipulation (he wanted someone else for Juve according to the prosecution). When you listen to the whole call you hear him explain that Rosetti can’t do a Juve game because he is a resident of Piemonte (where Torino is located). Since the Lega rule states no referee can officiate a team of his region, the call can be justified and discredited as evidence of referee manipulation. Moggi couldn’t bring the recording though…it was “irrelevant”. Instead they used the 3 lines or so that the Neapolitan magistrates conveniently extracted from that call to show what they wanted…it was more “relevant” that way.

- Juve’s involvement runs deeper than what is posted in the thread. Caterina Platea also confessed to seeing Montezemolo (Ferrari President and FIAT Director) present at Telecom meetings. The FIAT boys hated the triade and wanted them out definitively (without the possibility of them going to a competitor like Inter and Milan who both tried buying them). They obtained that by selling shares of Juventus to new buyers (hand picked) just prior to the scandal to minimize Moggi and Giraudo’s shareholder voting power. Financial evidence of this can be found in Juve’s financial statements. This lack of voting power forced Moggi and Giraudo to step down and Bettega was soon replaced as well. With the triade castrated, FIAT was finally able to take command of the team and obtain more funding for Ferrari through Telecom Italia sponsorship.

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PostSubject: Re: Calciopoli or Falsopoli: The Truth Behind The Trial That Crippled Juventus   Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:03 pm

Of all the bullshit about this scandal, the one that infuriates me the most is the Inter connection.

The scandal started after the Gazzetta printed (taken heavily out of context) transcripts of Moggi speaking to league officials. Not only is this illegal (espionage by a non-governmental organization and publishing private conversations), the paper who leaked them (Gazzetta) is an Interista (Inter Milan) paper. Inter Milan's vice president, Carlo Buora, is the CEO of the Gazzetta. Verdelli and Cannavo are its 2 main editors, both of whom are Inter shareholders.

Furthermore, these tapes were from and old investigation 2 yrs earlier conducted by Telecom Italia (You read that correctly, a non-governmental organization, and Inter parent company, used its position as a telecommunications provider to spy on Juventus, as well as thousands of other). They provided these wiretaps to magistrates all across Italy, but they didn't prosecute because there was nothing on the tapes that was incriminating, a finding which which is echoed by magistrates all across Italy, all the way up to the President of the Federal court. It only became an issue once an Inter paper leaked heavily doctored transripts to the media (which got the media circus of half facts and Juve bashing rolling), and an Interista was appointed president of the league during the scandal, which brings me to my next point.

Galliani (Milan Vice-president) was president of the FIGC (Italian FA) during the scandal years. Once the scandal broke loose, he was forced to resign due to a clear conflict of interst with Milan. The new FIGC president would be Guido Rossi. Guido Rossi served on Inter Milan's board of directors between 1995-1999 (4 years). Moratti (Inter Owner) has labeled him a friend in the media numerous times, and a few years ago, they could be seen together at the San Siro for Inter matches. Replace 1 conflict of interest with another. Rossi is also a self proclaimed Interista. Furthermore, Guido Rossi would resign his position as president (once Juve's fate was sealed) and go and become president of TIM (Telecom Italia, which is to serie a what Barclays is to the prem). By doing so, any debate on where Rossi's loyality lied were gone.

TIM also has Carlos Buora as its VP (same man who is CEO of the Gazetta and who is Inter Milan's vice President). Massimo Moratti (Inter Owner) also servers on their board of directors. To top it all off, TIM is controlled through Pirelli. Pirelli is owned by Marco Tronchetti Provera, which in turn means he is owner of Telecom Italia. Marco Tronchetti Provera is Inter Milan's 2nd largest share holder next to Moratti. Pirelli is also Inter's sponsor.

Telecom Italia, the Gazzetta and Inter Milan are owned and run by the same ppl, and they all conspired against Juve to get them relegated. It also explains y Inter benefitted from the whole mess.

(TIM are currently being investigated for espionage. Around 17 Telecom Italia employees were arrested a few months ago. 1 of them, Giuliano Tavaroli, the former head of security at Telecom Italia, is currently in prison and he has stated on record he was ordered by the board (which as shown above, consists of 3 Interista who also serve on Inter’s board) to spy on others.

Also, 2 weeks ago, 4 more Telecom Italia employee’s were arrested on new charges of espionage. They include Fabio Ghioni, the head of information security at Telecom Italia, his assistant, Rocco Lucia, and Guglielmo Sasinini, a former journalist who had been hired by TIM to conduct country risk analyses for the Middle East region. These men are said to have spied on Vittorio Colao, the former executive chief executive officer of the Rizzoli Corriere della Sera (RCS) publishing group, and on Massimo Mucchetti, the deputy director of the Corriere della Sera newspaper, through using their stance as Italy’s largest communications company.

Is it any wonder y Inter weren’t on the tapes? The company where the tapes came from is to Inter what FIAT is to Juventus. Their board of director's and main investor's mirror each other. Furthermore, is it any wonder y Guido Rossi headed the FIGC investigation (keep in mind who the leagues main sponsor is).

TIM (Telecom Italia) was Guido Rossi's reward once Juve's fate was sealed, which consisted of commiting numerous injustices to limit Moggi’s ability to mount a defense. They concluded what should have been at least a years long trial over a summer, and took shortcuts which undermined the legitimacy of their finding's (if having no incriminating evidence wasn't enough to begin with).

Also, the fact Rossi would award Inter Juve’s 05/06 scudetto, despite the fact that yr had nothing to do with the scandal, shows what type of mission it was. On top of all that, Mancini (Inter coach) mumbled early warning’s about this scandal in the lead up to the Inter/Juve match in Febuary (which Juve won). He said Moggi would have to answer to some1 soon, and numerous Interista officials would belittle Juve’s dominance in the pre-game, implying they cheated all those years to beat Inter, something they didn’t do in past meetings. Who better to know about a looming scandal than the coach of Inter, who’s board members and investors occupy the company that spy on others? The fact they knew about it that early further goes to show how they manipulated the events of this summer in their favour.

Juve were hung out to dry. It's quite obvious Inter initiated calciopoli. Telelcom Italia proves that beyond reasonable doubt.

Sadly, I haven’t even scraped the surface. I haven’t got into what the verdicts say (available online, which back up my claims of Juve being cheated and made an example out of). The real scandal was in fact what happened behind the scenes.

I bet your wondering, well knowing all this, and seeing as FIAT is the largest corporation in Italy (they own Juve), y didn’t they use their influence to counter that of Moratti’s? No1 really knows for sure, but its worth pointing out that TIM sponsor Ferrari (who FIAT own, FIAT also own Juve) with big sponsorship money. Also, division within the Agnelli family over Juve, as 1 side has always despised Moggi and company, and this made them leave.

More importantly, if Juve would have appealed the events of this summer ( the serie a season would have been delayed big time, to the point it wouldn't have been played. Also FIFA threatened to ban Italy from all competitions if it was appealed.

Furthermore, appealing would have no doubt resulted in the uncovering of the TIM connections. TIM is seria a's main sponsor. The league obviously wont accept an appeal which would no doubt rip TIM to shreds, as big money is on the line.

Lucky for Juve, there are more Juve fans than any other club in Italy. They wont let this rest (shareholders of Juventus have gotten together to lodge an appeal, since the club wont due to political reasons). The truth will come ot eventually, and no amount of ignorant trolls like JD will change that.
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PostSubject: Re: Calciopoli or Falsopoli: The Truth Behind The Trial That Crippled Juventus   Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:08 pm

Furthermore I have found an interview with the judge who decided Juve be relegated. He admitted himself that there was no evidence against Juve but the "situation" forced him to make the decision.

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PostSubject: Re: Calciopoli or Falsopoli: The Truth Behind The Trial That Crippled Juventus   Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:59 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Calciopoli or Falsopoli: The Truth Behind The Trial That Crippled Juventus   Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:11 am

it is toooooooooooooooo long gonna read it later joe

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